new cube release... collect your stuff!

by Aardappel_ on 08/07/2005 22:23, 148 messages, last message: 09/18/2005 09:02, 123440 views, last view: 05/15/2024 18:22

So we haven't had a new cube release in a while, and I guess everyone understands why: sauerbraten is the engine of the future.

But Cube has its own maps, its own gameplay, and is worthy of its own spot for a while to come. So next weekend I will take a little break from sauer and my other projects, and work on a cube release. That doesn't mean that there will be a cube release next weekend, in the best case there will be, in the worst case a whole lot will get done and it will be the week after.

The bad news (if any) is the new cube will NOT receive any significant new features. Sauer is version 2.0 of Cube, and it simply does not make any sense spending large amounts of time in updating Cube. Work on Cube is to be focused on polish and bugs. The main reason for this release code wise it to fix the list of small bugs that have appeared since the last release.

So is this the last release of Cube? Maybe. I am not sure either way, there is always a possibility for more versions, but the way things are going with Sauerbraten, what I want for Cube is a very stable version that people can enjoy while we make Sauerbraten the greatest thing since, well, Cube.

So what do I want from the community? Well, 2 things will go into this release, new media, and bits of code.

For media, I simply want to collect the best released new maps and other items since the last release. I already have most of them, but if you want to be sure I don't miss any simply post links here in this thread... rememeber, just the most high quality stuff.

Then code. I know this is going to be hard for you because you all have your pet little feature that you want to see in Cube. If you read the above, you know these are not going to happen. Some things I just don't find important. Like probably the #1 requested feature is a configureable player model, but that is not going to happen for this release. These kinds of things will likely be in sauer. It is not that it is hard (rather, it trivial), it is just not a priority.

So I will list some things that I definitely intend to fix, or try to. You *MAY* use this thread to suggest certain additional fixes/features, and who knows I can be swayed if a lot of you make convincing arguments, but remember, unless it is a few line easy fix or just incredibly important to cube right now, its not likely going in.

I will report on this thread as things progress.

features already in:
* lots of smaller fixes that I didn't bother to write down. Maybe if you note them here I can say "yes that is already in"
* stereo sound effects
* put in workaround for buggy ATI drivers (glReadPixels() result, already on linux)
* tweaked kickback strength for various weapons

for sure planned to go in:
- seperate release archives for windows, linux, and macosx (less FAQs)
- fixes for amd64. if someone with such a machine can be on call in irc next weekend for testing, that be great
- fixes where illegal protocol could corrupt client state
- vdelta edit fix
- shooting rockets at HOM -> out of memory error
- jumppad velocity Z cancellation (better jumps)
- cap fps to 200 or whatever (variable) (some cube code starts behaving weird when it nears 1000).
- fixes for sound crashing on linux
- some minor tweaks to SP balance and AI
- listen server functionality will be removed
- demo play bugs like sticky scoreboard
- make serverinfo port obey -i
- maxclients

maybe will go in:
- some of the features requested by the german "pro" community (not sure which)
if they have CLEAR list of what they changed to fix what, that might help things
go in (you listening Makke?). Though I am guessing since I won't add all their stuff,
they may want to stick with pcube anyway.
- look at that immortality bug that sometimes pops up. I have a demo of it. It is however
hard to debug and I make no guarantees. Same with other "happens occasionally in
multiplayer" bugs people have.
- kick vote

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#21: ..

by TimHortons on 08/09/2005 13:50

Sometimes during game, i can see some little whites sparks. It's not very annoying but i think if this bug is fixed, Cube will be better than last version.
Sauerbraten is really cool with realistics shadows but it don't use Net TCP stream for MultiPlayer game. Beta work, i hope next time see this advance
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#22: ..

by TimHortons on 08/09/2005 16:08

FireBallZ send ma a mail to reply with a screenshot. Like a noob, i try your nospam address.

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#23: ..

by TimHortons on 08/09/2005 18:28

Oki i understand
sorry :)

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#24: ..

by TimHortons on 08/09/2005 18:30

[URL=http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sparks1ga.jpg][IMG]http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/416/sparks1ga.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

This is a screenshot about sparks. It's a little "hole" where we can see sky box.
Strange isn't it! I think it can fixed by a little blur effect. What do you
think about?
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#25: ..

by TimHortons on 08/09/2005 19:08

I will try an another video card. Perhaps you are right. Next time i give you response ++

For pistol, i got this in my Cube code (i use pistol by Sauerbraten package). It's note very hard to include this weapon. I will try to tell way :

weapon.cpp

// New weapon -
else if(s!=GUN_PISTOL && player1->ammo[GUN_PISTOL]) s = GUN_PISTOL;

case GUN_PISTOL:
particle_splash(0, 100, 250, to);
break;

cube.h
enum { GUN_FIST = 0, GUN_SG, GUN_CG, GUN_RL, GUN_RIFLE, GUN_FIREBALL, GUN_ICEBALL, GUN_SLIMEBALL, GUN_BITE, GUN_PISTOL, NUMGUNS };

clientgame.cpp
void spawnstate(dynent *d)
d->gunselect = GUN_PISTOL;
(...)
else
{
d->ammo[GUN_PISTOL] = m_sp ? 50 : 20;
};

Don't forget to load md2 and place in right order sounds.

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#26: Re: ..

by tentus on 08/09/2005 22:21, refers to #24

those are normal, and not all that bad of a case. in fact very mild. also, aard has said time and time again that he's fine with the current weapon scheme- i seriously doubt he's going to make a change such as adding the pistol. consider the complete lack of mention of such a thing in aard's opening subject.

now that that's over with, could you two quit filling up this thread?


Aard, another stupid request- could a menu be added to the multiplayer menu giving a short FAQ (such as how to change name)? I've done that in CL and I think it'd help some of the single-answer threads we get around here.

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#27: Map errors

by spentron on 08/10/2005 11:26

The version of Rampage, which I did the modifications on, in the current release can usually not be completed. Actually I think 4 maps could leave players scratching their heads trying to complete them. ksp2 somehow got a bad version in there; I can only complete it by using rockets to kill monsters through walls. egysp1 I can't complete but it may be just too hard for me to figure out and not a bug. kksp1 I've also had trouble completing but I think that's because there's a group of monsters in the caves I have a lot of trouble finding because they're in complete dark and by the time they're exposed you have an entire map open to find them in.

My revised version of Rampage is here: http://www.intergate.com/~spentron/cube/rampage-spenmod.zip ... I tested it a half dozen times without problems but I was playing fast and monsters get lost in the catacombs always or almost always when playing at a more normal rate, or something.

If you're sticking with the same soundtrack, I also prefer mm5remix with this config file to play the tunes: http://www.intergate.com/~spentron/cube/mm5remix.cfg

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#28: Re: Map errors

by -Rick- on 08/10/2005 13:41, refers to #27

"kksp1 I've also had trouble completing"
No errors there...pretty straightforward IMO, my bots can even finish this map :)

I couldn't finish the other maps either though...but maybe I'm missing something.

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#29: Re:

by Sherwood on 08/10/2005 18:31, refers to #27

First off. I love Cube. I just found it a few days ago, and I havent played any other games since. And ive got some of the cream first person shooters. The "fun factor" of cube is way up there.
thanks for the good work and letting us all play for free!

Ive been playing around with changing the sounds and smoke trails for a couple days.
And one thing id like to see is a seperate smoke trail image for the rocket launcher and rifle. Im not a coder, but that should be pretty easy right...?

Now, one that involes much more code im sure, would be a spectator mode. A follow mode would be nice, but id settle for just being able to float around the map while others play. Sorry if this is already in there and im just not smart enough to have found it.

Thanks again.

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#30: Re: Re:

by Sherwood on 08/10/2005 18:51, refers to #30

Yea ive tried it only for a moment. Correct me if im wrong but there is no online play yet. At least i didnt see it in the menu. And thats all im interested in really. And, it seems that the movement phyics are a little different. I like them in cube better.

Ill open it up again and see if I just missed the online stuff. If its not there, then im sure it will come eventually. then ill probaly play it more.

thanks

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#31: Re: Re:

by Sherwood on 08/10/2005 20:04, refers to #31

Hey wasdaplus. thanks for the comments.
I just got started with the sounds a few days ago. Im going to come up with tons more im sure. Some of the ones i sent you took about 2 minutes to make. I want to get much more creative.

Just finised playing som insta and I noticed a few more things that would be nice.

-a sound for spawning (this coupled with stereo would be nice)
-ability to change the color of your name ala Quake. (Im sure you coders out there can do this already. I cant...hehe)

And for insta matches, maybe a server option to allow riflejumping. This is similar to rocket jumping, only with the rifle. In the server config there could be some simple options like...

-riflejump value (how high you go when you riflejump)
-static riflejump (uses riflejump value no matter what angle the gun is pointed at the ground)
-dynamic riflejump (uses a riflejump value based on what angle you shoot at the ground to jump)

A quick look at a serverconfig for a quake 3 insta match would give lots of ideas.

Again i know these are harder to code that to talk about, but you asked.

thanks

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#32: Re: Re:

by Sherwood on 08/10/2005 21:52, refers to #31

Two more...

-chat bubbles
-crouching

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#33: ..

by tyguy98 on 08/10/2005 22:08

yeah the crouching would be cool, I also like the differnt colors for names.
Force Teams (Red or Blue)

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#34: Re: ..

by Pxtl on 08/10/2005 22:35, refers to #26

Map cycling fix is needed. Several bugs in the mapping system exist:

a) voting should not be per map. It should be per map and gametype. The "map" command needs 2 arguments. Right now, gametype is selected by the last player to suggest a gametype, which is total anarchy. When the players vote for Efficiency on 32, one player should not beable to turn it to InstaFist, making the game totally pointless.

b) map rotation should be determined by server, not client. This allows servers to define custom map rotations, and encourages client compatibility if they have custom menus.

c) getmap should work as expected - that is, it fetches the current map, not necessarily whatever someone has uploaded. Ideally, it should be run automatically on file miss.

d) somethign to do while dead in arena modes - whether a chasecam of another player or just allowing the player to fly around the map invisible/intangible or something. Anything but just lying on the floor watching a fraction of the combat from a funny angle.

Yes, I know these are feature-requests and you didn't want feature requests, but to most players those aren't requests for new functionality, but just fixes to complete the existing functionality to work in a sensible way.

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#35: ..

by makkE on 08/10/2005 23:00

Agreeing with pxtl here, those would be reasonable additions.

Sherwood: Cube isn´t going to turn into q3 ;)

But there might be a mod for sauer one day that will add "all our beloved features from the classics". (maybe wasdaplus´s planned mod will be a better place for these suggestions?)
Also, as far as the kind of riflejums (or non-selfhurt rocketjumps) are concerned, it wouldn´t make much sense in cube (due to the ceiling often being pretty low..)
again, more a thing for a sauer mod..

There´s already a bunch of trickjumps possible in cube, though not as defined as q3´s (because mainly unintentional).. If you´re german, check out cubed.de , there´s an article on that.
Or try http://cube.snieb.com/node/51

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#36: Re: ..

by Sherwood on 08/10/2005 23:50, refers to #35

hehe i know it wont turn into q3....lol

I thought about the ceiling height also, but I thought I ran into a couple maps that had higher ceilings. They were probaly in Sauer though. Oh well. Maybe the rifle jumps would spur on a few more maps with higher ceilings. Like I said ive only had cube for a few days.

Ok ill start posting elsewhere. Im sure most of the additions for cube are probaly planned out already anyway.

Anyway its a lot of fun!

Barrett

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#37: Re: Map errors

by spentron on 08/11/2005 03:29, refers to #28

I also finished kksp1, it was just hard to find the last few monsters hidden somewhere in the dark ... but after 2-3 maps with real problems, one could assume a different problem.

None of the real problems are due to monsters malfunctioning. ksp2 has a missing trigger or something (I might be able to figure it out after enough time). egysoc1 I end up walled in -- ??. Rampage had a place where a monster in a device behind the scenes could go down a passage the wrong way and not find its way out (you can't get there yourself) which I fixed later (it's "kill all to finish").

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#38: media... (attn MitaMan & dcp)

by Aardappel_ on 08/11/2005 10:06

I just went through and included all new media I could find, specifically, I added new maps (kurt kesler, JCDPC, makke, mitaman, nieb, fanatic, dcp, spentron, jf), new mapmodels (dcp), new songs (fanatic, dcp), textures (various)

The new archive is already 32 megs however...

MitaMan, your textures add up to 3 megs. Any reduction possible there would be greatly appreaciated.

dcp, the media with your "the core" map is over 4 megs. Any reduction here welcome too.

I am adding some of your item models. Specifically:

all 4 ammo types. Of these, the riflerounds is nearly invisible. If you could make a bigger, brighter version that would rock. With ammo, its either all or nothing, as they look so different from the old ammo boxes.

Do you have new hud icon graphics for them too?

Teleport, trigger2 and quad added.

health. your boost is nearly invisible. For the moment I made health2 the new boost.

The armours: again not so visible, not as pretty as your other models I think. So for the moment still using the old armour models.

carrot / keycard: again, not visible enough. Too many SP maps refer to "carrots", so I may have to leave this as is.

Weapons: I put in your chaingun. No hand, but it looks better than the old one. Your new rifle looks a bit too wacky/scifi for my taste, so no. The new RL blocks half the screen, so also no.

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I will comment on everyone's feature requests when I have some coding done.

This weekend is Quakecon, I forgot. not sure if I will have much time friday/saturday, who knows I will have a beta ready sunday.

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#39: Re: Map errors

by -Rick- on 08/11/2005 12:54, refers to #37

In kksp1 you won't have to kill all the monsters...just go to the carrot after you picked up the quad.

I tryed egypsp yesterday, but couldn't get past the room with all the hellpigs.

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#40: Re: media... (attn MitaMan & dcp)

by mitaman-at-the-cave on 08/11/2005 13:12, refers to #38

Aard,

Reducing file sizes:

As far as the textures go I will open them in PhotoShop and decrease the "quality settings" and re-save each .jpg file, that should reduce the file size a bit. Just to be sure did you want to include both MPSP4 and MPSP5 maps? I will be done in a few days and then send you both .zip files via email. Is that ok with you?

MitaMAN

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